Brexit: UK and EU at odds over ‘exit bill’

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The UK and EU are at rest at odds over citizens’ rights and the amount the UK will pay to leave the bloc, at the end of the supporter week of Brexit talks.

EU negotiator Michel Barnier said the UK had not been distinct enough about where it stands on these issues and that was retarding progress.

UK Brexit Secretary David Davis said the negotiations on the suspect divorce bill had been «robust».

He said progress had been devised but both sides needed to show «flexibility».

Mr Barnier said: «We command this clarification on the financial settlement, on citizens’ rights, on Ireland — with the two key instants of the common travel area and the Good Friday Agreement — and the other splitting issues where this week’s experience has quite simply manifested we make better progress where our respective positions are clear.»

Mr Davis turned: «We have had robust but constructive talks this week. Clearly there’s a lot left to talk involving and further work before we can resolve this. Ultimately, getting to a denouement will require flexibility from both sides.»

Citizens’ justs

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Michel Barnier maintained there had been some areas of agreement about how Britons continuing abroad and EU nationals living in the UK should be treated after Brexit.

But there was dissent over «the rights of future family members» — meaning children tote in the future to EU citizens in the UK — and «the exports of certain social benefits».

The EU wants virtues currently enjoyed by EU citizens in the UK — access to healthcare, welfare, education, living quarters — to apply to children and family members, whether they currently last in the UK or not, and to continue in perpetuity, after the death or divorce of the rights-holder.

The UK wants to put on all EU nationals living in the UK the same rights as British citizens — but they would acquire to have been residents for five years and there would be a «cut-off theme», probably 29 March 2017, when Article 50 was triggered. After this season they will be able to build up their five years’ entitlement.

In as well, EU nationals who get married after March 2019 would lose the rightist to bring family members to the UK, unless they pass an income proof, like non-EU migrants. They could also risk give up their right to return to Britain if they leave for more than two years.

David Davis estimated the UK had published its approach to citizens’ rights since the first round of understandings, which he described as «both a fair and serious offer» and had now published a dump paper setting out areas of agreement, and issues for further talks.

He put about sticking points in the talks included the rights of employees of EU-based ensembles to work for extended periods in other countries, such as the UK, and the right of EU dwellers to vote in UK local elections.

Brits moving from one EU country to another

EU arbiters have told their British counterparts that British people persisting in an EU country would lose their guaranteed welfare, residence and other facts if they moved to another EU country.

A senior EU source said there was a willingness to be adaptable on this point during the negotiations, depending on the UK’s position in the next set of talks.

Chief British sources called the proposal «unprecedented» as it would leave British expats with worse legals than those coming from outside the EU and it would be «interesting» to see what the openly reaction would be to it.

Analysis — By Kevin Connolly, BBC news, Brussels

David Davis and Michel Barnier defended at matching podiums in Brussels, side by side but not entirely in step.

Mr Davis talked breezily around work done constructively and «at pace» and even injected a slightly bantering note into records, quoting back to Mr Barnier his own earlier warning line that «the clock is ticking».

Mr Barnier’s procure appeared to be slightly less positive and was much more focused on the lack for further clarification from the UK side on a whole range of issues — we reckoned him using the word clarification or variations on it at least eight times in a somewhat short news conference.

There are plenty of briefings around on underlines of detail — would the UK for example have the right to conduct blanket mobster record checks on EU citizens applying for residence in post-Brexit UK.

But the big stumbling impedes are obvious and have been obvious for a while.

One is the «divorce bill» — when liking a figure emerge into the public domain and what might the UK be treated to pay.

The other is the future role of the European Court of Justice in overseeing the straighten outs of EU citizens who remain in the UK — the EU sees that as a basic right but from the British sentiment it’s being seen as «a very big ask».

The Brexit divorce bill remains an question major

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Britain has agreed in rule to meet its financial obligations as it leaves the EU, to cover things like the rate of relocating London-based EU agencies and the pensions of EU officials.

But a senior EU source commanded the UK negotiating team had not said what they might be prepared to pay — and there had been no «urgent discussions» about what the bill might include.

David Davis judged: «We both recognise the importance of sorting out the obligations we have to one another, both legally and in a purpose of mutual cooperation.»

But Michel Barnier has called for «clarification» on where the UK stands.

UK Unfamiliar Secretary Boris Johnson has said the EU can «go whistle» if it demands an «extortionate» payment but other sky pilots have struck a more conciliatory tone. Sources have insinuated to the BBC the bill could be between 30 and 50 billion euros.

Downing Byway someones cup of tea said the UK was «looking at the legal commitments» it faces, adding: «There are foci of difference and that’s one of them.»

But there were no plans to produce a arrangement paper on the divorce bill, the No 10 spokesman said.

More charge needed on Northern Ireland

David Davis rejected the suggestion that there was a shortage of clarity from his team on Northern Ireland, saying the two sides had consult oned ways of «achieving a flexible and imaginative solution to address the unique circumstances all over the border» and preserve the common travel area.

A senior EU source rumoured they were still waiting for concrete proposals from the UK side on the gracious of border that is achievable.

Read More: ‘Work needed’ on Brexit impact in Ireland

The capacity of the European Court of Justice

This is the biggest current sticking score, according to British officials.

The ECJ settles disputes between member alleges about the free movement of workers and other cross-border issues.

UK Prime Preacher Theresa May has said the UK will be leaving its jurisdiction.

The UK has floated the idea of a new supranational body, made up of British and EU judges, or, according to UK officials, «some well-disposed of ombudsman», to settle disputes, but the EU is rejecting this out of hand.

There can’t be any understanding on citizens’ rights until this one is settled, EU sources say.

Read multitudinous: Reality check: What is the European Court of Justice?

Other exits

The UK wants to carry out criminal record checks on all EU citizens who want to live in the UK. The EU verbalizes they should only be carried out where there is a suspicion of wrongdoing.

This when one pleases be looked at in more detail during the August talks.

On a trade conduct oneself treat, David Davis said the UK could not accept a «punishment» deal, but reckoned: «Nobody expects a punishment deal. Michel and I are going for a good see to.»

Gibraltar did not come up as an issue in the current round of talks, sources say.

What Drudgery says

Labour’s shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer demanded the «lack of progress» on issues such as the rights of EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in Europe was «unreservedly concerning» and would cause «anxiety for millions of families».

He questioned whether insinuate two of the talks could get under way in October as planned, something that want «trigger deep concern for businesses and communities across the UK».

«The reality is that we bear a government that is unprepared, divided and incapable of securing a good allot for Britain. We urgently need a fresh approach,» he added.

What happens next

The EU has said talks won’t rush on to the subject of future trading arrangements until it judges there’s been so so progress on the separation issues.

The two sides are meeting for four days each month, with this week’s talks on at scoping out points of difference and common ground in those areas that enjoy been identified as requiring urgent attention.

Mr Barnier has said the EU side are hoping to correspond the basic terms of a deal on EU citizens and the exit bill in October — which he verbalizes would open the way for talks on the UK’s future trade relations with the EU to initiate in December.

Meanwhile, the UK government has announced that MPs are set to debate the repeal reckoning — a key piece of Brexit legislation that will transform EU laws into British laws — for two epoches from 7 September.

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